Quo vadis, SA?

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2'612 Beiträge · seit 200715. Apr. 2008 ·
Bernd schrieb:
Hallo Volker,

Mugabe ist der Schwager von Mbeki - mehr weiß ich dazu nicht, aber vermutlich erklärt das auch ein wenig sein Verhalten.

Gruß,
Bernd
Das habe ich auch gehört/gelesen, aber so etwas verbreitet sich schnell - da schreibt ggf. Einer vom Anderen ab. Deswegen sagt die Quantität solcher Meldungen noch nichts über die Qualität aus - oder anders: man sollte nicht alles glauben...
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ThemenstarterGast15. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin Volker.
Mbeki ist doch ähnlich wie Bush und Putin eine lame duck -Präsident auf Abruf. Würde sich an seinem politischen "Vermächtnis" etwas ändern, wenn er Mugabe zum Rücktritt bewegt? Im "Westen" würde es als Erfolg angesehen werden, viele schwarze Südafrikaner würden ihn mangels Infos nicht verstehen und vielleicht als Verräter ächten. Wir würdet ihr Euch entscheiden, wenn ihr nicht unbedingt ins Exil wolltet?
das ist "weiße Denke".

Lies einmal von Henning Mankell, "Das Auge des Leoparden". Keine große Literatur, insbesondere, wenn er sich nicht im schwedischen Szenario bewegt. Es ist aber eine recht umfassende Beschreibung der gegensetzlichen Befindlichkeiten zwischen Schwarz und Weiß.

Gruß, Michael
167 Beiträge · seit 200815. Apr. 2008 ·
Mugabe ist Shona, Mbeki ist Xhosa, zwischen beiden bestanden in ihren Lebensläufen kaum berührungspunkte und eine verwandschaftliche Beziehung ist eine Erfindung.

Der realistische Grund für die "Toleranz" des neuen Südafrika gegenüber Zimbabwe ist schlichtweg das Wissen, dass bei einer Intervention enorme Aufbauhilfe auf SA zukommen - denkt doch nur wie schwierig für Westdeutschland der Aufbau Ost zu stemmen war - und wer diese beiden Länder kennt weiss das SA genug eigene Probleme hat. Schlußendlich darf man das immer noch das "Stammesdenken" nicht vergessen.
Seitens der SADC wird nicht viel unternommen werden, den Diktator zu entmachten, ein Status Quo ist den Stammesführern immer noch lieber als zugeben zu müssen, dass das Experiment gescheitert ist.
ThemenstarterGast16. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin zusammen.
Anatomy of South African decay
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=86908&sn=Detail
Asmal messed up SA education – Zuma
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71627?oid=88096&sn=Detail
Three key risks facing South Africa
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=88123&sn=Detail
Majority of SA school leavers are functionally illiterateWhen these matriculants were tested for functional literacy in English(the language of choice for teaching), it was found that only 15 % of the black candidates were functionally literate.
This means that only 42 000 black school leavers have the potential to do skilled work. When one divides this by province it means that “each province in 2007 delivered only 4600 functionally literate black matriculants”, Hoffman reiterated.
http://edulibpretoria.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/reformingbasiceducation.pdf
SA: Private Property Rights to End in July 2008 in South Africa
March 30 2008.
Rapport newspaper writes today that from July 2008, all SA private property can be expropriated by ANC-regime after July 2008, when the new Expropriations Act goes into effect.
Any private property - not only land used for agriculture -- can be appropriated by the South African state 's ministry of public works. Effectively, this marks the end of capitalist-style private property
rights in South Africa. And all private-property owners will just have to accept any price offered to them by the government under this new law unless they are willing to engage in expensive law-suits to get the market-related
price for their properties.
Effectively, this new law thus effectively ends all private-ownership
rights in South Africa. It includes ALL properties countrywide: if the ministry of internal affairs wants land for housing 'previously disadvantaged residents,
they can and undoubtedly will expropriate land owned by churches, banks, individual home-owners or commercial businesses.
Already the country has no agricultural land left in the legal sense since all agricultural land now falls under the jurisdiction of municipal boundaries countrywide. In 1994 when SA still exported agricultural products on a massive scale, it had 85,000 farmers using less than 7% of the total land surface. At the moment, less than 10,000 commercial farmers remain, raising crops on less than 0.75% of the total land surface. The country is now facing serious food
shortages for the first time in its entire recorded agricultural history since the mid-1600's.

Afrikaans newspaper report about new Expropriations Act:
Source URL: http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2296578,00.html
Wegen dieser Kolumne wurde David Bullard von der Sunday Times gefeuert (da der Link bei mir nicht mehr funktionierte, ausnahmsweise im Volltext):
Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn’t come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.

Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn’t need to include bits of Africa.

The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?

There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It’s 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country’s flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.

Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.

Their children don’t watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day’s sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.

Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?

The dreaded Internet doesn’t exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies’ handbags.

Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn’t known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.

Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.

Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered.
Gruß, Michael
2'612 Beiträge · seit 200716. Apr. 2008 ·
Mbeki scheint immer mehr in eine Sackgasse zu laufen - weg vom ANC und vom Westen:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,547776,00.html

Weitere Frage: Wieso hört man nichts von Mandela und Tutu?
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Gast16. Apr. 2008 ·
Hallo,

Volker schrieb:
Weitere Frage: Wieso hört man nichts von Mandela und Tutu?
Mandela möchte mutmaßlich Mbeki nicht weiter beschädigen. Tutu hat sich mehrfach geäußert. Zitat einer Reuters-Meldung:
«Noch deutlicher wurde der frühere anglikanische Erzbischof Desmond Tutu. Er drängte Mugabe, seine Wahlniederlage zu akzeptieren und warnte: "Es liegt Gewalt in der Luft." Klare Worte fand er auch an die Adresse afrikanischer Regierungen: "Ich hatte gehofft, dass es deutlich mehr Druck gegeben hätte, nicht nur von Südafrika aus, sondern von der internationalen Gemeinschaft." Insgesamt könnten die afrikanischen Führer in dieser Sache nicht stolz auf sich sein, sagte der südafrikanische Nobelpreisträger.»
Reuters

Beste Grüße

Guido
2'612 Beiträge · seit 200716. Apr. 2008 ·
Vielen Dank Guido,

ist eine provokante bzw. rhetorische Frage von mir gewesen, hätte die beiden Personen trennen sollen. Mandelas Rolle sehe ich ähnlich, Tutu scheint mir in den westlichen Medien etwas in Vergessenheit geraten zu sein. Als wenn führende westliche Politiker und Medien in der Angelegenheit gemeinsame Sache machen...
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1'457 Beiträge · seit 200616. Apr. 2008 ·
Mbeki scheint immer mehr in eine Sackgasse zu laufen - weg vom ANC und vom Westen:
Naja, sich vom Western wegbewegen heisst ja noch lange nicht, sich in eine Sackgasse zu begeben 🙄 😵 😐

Das viel diskutierte Venezuela ist meiner Meinung nach ein Beispiel dafuer und bleibt es hoffentlich auch.

http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=171
2'612 Beiträge · seit 200717. Apr. 2008 ·
konno schrieb:
Mbeki scheint immer mehr in eine Sackgasse zu laufen - weg vom ANC und vom Westen:
Naja, sich vom Western wegbewegen heisst ja noch lange nicht, sich in eine Sackgasse zu begeben 🙄 😵 😐

Das viel diskutierte Venezuela ist meiner Meinung nach ein Beispiel dafuer und bleibt es hoffentlich auch.

http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=171
Sackgasse im Sinne von: so kommt er im Umgang mit dem Westen und dem ANC nicht weiter.

Chavez hat in manchen Punkten nicht unrecht, v.a. wenn es darum geht, eine ausländische Ausbeutung der Ölquellen zu verhindern
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ThemenstarterGast17. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin zusammen.
Police: Vessel is carrying arms
Durban - The SA Police Explosives Unit confirmed on Wednesday that an uncleared Chinese vessel docked at the outer anchorage of the Port of Durban is carrying arms.
Customs revealed that the shipment was destined for Zimbabwe.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306875,00.html
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306748,00.html
Mbeki defends record on Zimbabwe
South African President Thabo Mbeki has defended his record on Zimbabwe, while playing down the crisis at a UN debate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7351755.stm

Gruß, Michael
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ThemenstarterGast18. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin zusammen.

Hervorhebungen von mir.
By Helen Zille: Business unusual: The criminalisation of the state

There is a thesis that African states fail because corruption ceases to become an aberration that needs to be rooted out. It becomes institutionalised in the system itself. It becomes business as usual.

In such states, politics has nothing to do with a struggle over ideas or even a struggle between ethnic, racial or religious groups. It is about gaining access to the state and, once there, using it for personal enrichment and ensuring that those who helped put you there are sufficiently enriched to help you stay there. Likewise, race and ethnicity are cynically manipulated to mobilise voters to keep you in power.

It is a process that starts with the centralisation of power in a small ruling clique, who deploy their cronies into all key positions, to entrench and protect their interests. Once in power, they move to colonise the mechanisms intended to hold power to account. Without checks and balances on power, corruption becomes inevitable.

Centralisation, cronyism and corruption soon culminate in the full-blown criminalisation of the state.

This unfolding process is what we are seeing in "South Africa Today". If we allow it to proceed further, any pretence of being the beacon of moral hope for this continent will be finally dashed.

Recent press reports on the role of the ANC's investment arm Chancellor House point to what some commentators are calling the "Nigerianisation" of South African politics.


There is an unholy triangle at work, the three corners of which represent business, the state and the ruling party. Connecting these corners are the cadres that the ANC deploys to the state and to business. These cadres ensure that they and their cronies benefit from state tenders as well as Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) deals in the private sector which they help ?facilitate?.

The DA has been exposing the truth about BEE for many years. We have consistently said that the ANC's version of BEE has nothing to do with the much needed empowerment of black South Africans to use the opportunities emerging in a non-racial, open society.

BEE under the ANC has been perverted for the benefit of a small clique in the ruling party and its business partners, who are usually deployed party insiders, and who in turn must pay their dues back to the party and its leaders. This is "legalised corruption", as author Robert Guest famously described the ANC?s approach to BEE.

BEE's cover has now been blown wide open by revelations of how the ANC's investment arm, Chancellor House, operates. We have seen that through Chancellor House, the ANC stood to benefit from multi-billion rand tenders awarded by Eskom for the building of new power stations.


This was taxpayers' money that was destined for the ruling party's coffers until Eskom reneged on the deal after it was exposed.

Then, at the weekend, it emerged that R9 million of a R1.5 billion empowerment deal, involving Standard Bank, Liberty Life and asset managers Stanlib, was channelled directly into the ANC's bank account by former ANC MP turned businessman, Saki Macozoma.

These reports follow outgoing ANC Treasurer-General, Mendi Msimang's candid admission at Polokwane that ANC members are being deployed to big business in return for a "levy" paid to the ANC. The heart of the corruption, in terms of Msimang's admission, is that the ANC decides which "cadre" should be deployed to a specific company. Business accepts the deployee, who in turn pays his dues to the ANC.

The ANC's "cadre deployment" policy has led to a collapse of the distinction between the party and the state. Cadre deployment, as described so candidly by Msimang, is now also leading to a collapse of the distinction between the party and business. And the implications will be devastating. No country can remain an open society if business opportunities are increasingly determined by a relationship with the ruling clique of the governing party.

We have come to expect this behaviour from the ANC, but it is astonishing how complicit business appears to be in this institutionalised corruption.
More worrying is that many businesses seem to see nothing wrong with such practices. It has become the norm, it is business as usual.

Certain businessmen have indicated to members of my party that representatives of Chancellor House routinely approach them with the offer of facilitating contracts, tenders and other deals on their behalf. The understanding is that the ANC's influence will secure the deal (in both the public and private sector) in exchange for a handsome pay-off to the ANC, through Chancellor House.

While one must be very careful not to generalise about the complicity of business, it has to be said that for every corruptee there is a corruptor.
What we are seeing emerge before our eyes is a "generally corrupt"
relationship between business, the ANC and the state.

I wonder whether major companies like Standard Bank and Liberty Life (and many, many others) have asked themselves about the damage that these practices inflict on South Africa's chances of consolidating and sustaining democracy.

Do they realise that these practices are helping South Africa down the fatal path of destruction that begins with centralisation and inevitably proceeds to cronyism, corruption and criminalisation? Do they realise that this will ensure the demise of the Constitution?s vision of an open society? Or does much of big business only worry about the contacts that will oil the next big deal? Have they learnt any lessons from South Africa's tragic past, or from the demise of the democratic vision in countries further north?

Businesses that are party to the downward spiral of cronyism, corruption and criminalisation need to look themselves squarely in the eye. They need to realise that if they continue to play their part in the criminalisation of the state, that one day soon there will not be a viable state left to do business in. Even worse, there will no longer be a viable and open economy within which to do business.

I have no doubt that this is of less concern to members of the ANC. For them it is all about the spoils that being a high-ranking member of the ANC brings. And this is not limited to those at the top. It is happening in every municipality and province where the ANC governs.

As ANC Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe admitted last year: "This rot is across the board. It is not confined to any level or any area of the country. Almost every project is conceived because it offers opportunities for certain people to make money."

And this is what the struggle for power at Polokwane was really all about.
The battle for the soul of the ANC was not predicated on a struggle over policy or leadership style. Any ideological divisions were just a smokescreen for the struggle for personal enrichment.


As Tim Cohen wrote in Business Day this week:

"[At] issue is the creation of a state in which politicians enter politics not with the intention of public service but with the intention of getting rich. The result is that political battles are a kind of proxy for deciding not how social issues are to be addressed but which faction will gain the ability to insert itself into the circulation of money streams."

And this is exactly the rationale behind the ANC?s internal inquiry into Chancellor House. Incidentally, it is also the reason for the ANC's internal inquiry into the Arms Deal. It is not to get to the truth or to promote ethics in the ruling party, but an opportunity to smear ANC members who are not aligned to the Zuma camp.

It is clear that those who fall out of the inner circle lose out. For example, Bulelani Ngcuka husband of the Deputy President lost out on a R7.5 billion "empowerment" deal with Vodacom, because his business partners deemed him to be now on the "wrong" side of the new ANC leadership.

Is this why Tokyo Sexwale, not a friend of Mbeki, but not previously close to Zuma either, decided at the last minute to back Zuma in his campaign for the ANC leadership? Is this why Cyril Ramphosa who is reportedly linked with the Stanlib deal refused to heed the call to challenge Jacob Zuma for the position of ANC President?

There is little we can do about the motives of those who engage in power struggles to gain access to power. But we can, and must, do something to limit the material rewards that accrue to those who gain high office.

I have written to the Public Protector requesting him to investigate the allegations that have emerged against Chancellor House. He has indicated to me that he will investigate. Being a deployed ANC cadre himself, it remains to be seen how he will undertake this crucial task.

Over the next few months a DA task team will carry out a study of institutionalised corruption and the ways and means to limit its spread.
Part of this process will be to review the efficacy of current corruption legislation and to expose the loopholes that allow the ANC to legalise corruption and cover it under a cloak of respectability called BEE.

If South Africa is to succeed, government and business must begin to see these forms of influence peddling, to borrow Thabo Mbeki's clumsy phrase, as "business unusual." If they do not, then our democratic project can only fail.
FAA issues 'safety warning' about SA aviation repairs, air traffic
April 17 2008 -- The Federal Aviation Authority in the USA - which is the supervisory body for aviation worldwide -- has issued a safety warning about any planes serviced by the SAA-Technical company -- because of the mass-exodus of technical skills from South Africa, writes Solidarity trade union.

The FAA warns that the safety of planes serviced by SAA-Technical is being 'undermined' by the mass exodus of experienced engineering personnel from SA.
• If this trend continues, South African serviced-airliners such as SAA may be barred from international airspace altogether, similar to many other African airlines.
• It is not known how many international airlines' are having their planes serviced by SAA-Technical during return flights to South Africa -- but they will undoubtedly heed this warning by the FAA very carefully.
The FAA notes that SAA-Technical has lost more than 300 aviation-qualified engineers over the past two years alone.
And the skills-exodus at South Africa's Air Traffic Navigation Services -- i.e. the country's air traffic controllers -- also is causing concern especially after the group's managing executive Wrenelle Stander announced that she would not renew her three-year-contract at ATNS.
• And its acting CEO Peter Marais also admitted to Business Day this week that they could not compete with the lucrative posts offered in the Middle-East or Australia...
Solidarity trade union 's aviation expert Zirk Gous warns that many more resignations can be expected in the SA aviation world because job opportunities abroad are much more advantageous -- making the aviation safety-issue in South Africa increasingly worrying.
http://www.solidariteit.co.za
Gruß, Michael
ThemenstarterGast21. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin zusammen.
Jhb tap water warning
Residents in northern Johannesburg areas were on Friday warned not to drink tap water as the quality was not up to standard, Johannesburg Water said.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2308198,00.html
Manto disputes UN stats
South Africa is ranked among the 10 worst countries when it comes to ensuring that children survive beyond the age of five, but Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang says it all comes down to how you tally the numbers.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=vn20080417054414706C454065

Zimbabwe lässt grüßen:
We may take undesirable action: MK veterans
There was no contrivance in the message of ex-combatants as they warned they could do something "undesirable" if the government does not do an immediate audit of state-controlled land and farms. They were talking about land, but the subtext was far more powerful.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=vn20080420092357675C815177

Gruß, Michael
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962 Beiträge · seit 200721. Apr. 2008 ·
Hallo, Michael,
ich finde dein Engagement zur Info für alle Interessierten ja recht vorbildlich, aber hast du schon einmal bedacht, dass das Forum eine deutschsprachige Webseite ist?
Es gibt sicher nur wenige, die Englisch so perfekt beherrschen, dass sie sich mit deinen, sicher fü viele interessanten Beiträgen auseinandersetzen können. Du musst also davon ausgehen, dass sie aus Zeitmangel n i c h t gelesen werden.
In diesem Sinne grüsst mit ah-namibia
myrio (Frank)
http://www.namibia-forum.ch/forum/10-reiseberichte/193547-afrika-2011-so-qbeautiful-greenq-1teil.html http://www.namibia-forum.ch/forum/10-reiseberichte/193761-afrika-2011-so-beautiful-green-teil-2.html http://www.namibia-forum.ch/forum/10-reiseberichte/195398-a-f-r-i-k-a-2011-so-beautiful-green-teil-3.html
ThemenstarterGast21. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin Frank,

das ist mir bewusst. Das Lesen der Links ist ja auch für niemanden ein Muss. Allerdings liegen nun einmal die meisten Informationen ausschließlich in englischer Sprache vor.

Deutschsprachige Berichterstattung erfolgt in der Regel nur, wenn die Ereignisse aus dem alltäglichen internationalen Nachrichtenbrei herausragen. Dies tun sie nur dann, wenn internationale Ereignisse anstehen, wie z.B. die Auslosung für die WM-Quali oder wenn die -dann zumeist- negativen Ereignisse einfach nicht ignoriert werden können.

Das dann entstehende Problem der Berichterstattung liegt darin, dass die wenigsten deutschen Medien noch Korrespondenten vor Ort besitzen. Dies wirkt sich dann notwendigerweise auf die Qualität der Berichterstattung aus. Deutschsprachige Berichterstattung sollte man daher in jedem Fall hinsichtlich dieser Problematik hinterfragen, was im Einzelfall nicht ausschließt, dass der betreffende Journalist weiß, wovon er schreibt.

Die beste europäische Nachrichtenquelle ist aus meiner Sicht immer noch die BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/default.stm). Aber auch die ist nun einmal in englischer Sprache.

Gruß, Michael
1'287 Beiträge · seit 200621. Apr. 2008 ·
Hallo Michael,

danke für die Weiterverbreitung des Zille - Artikels. Eine leider zutreffende Analyse, die das Politikverständnis in fast allen afrikanischen Staaten gut beschreibt.

Mit sonnigen Grüßen aus Windhoek
Carsten Möhle
2'612 Beiträge · seit 200721. Apr. 2008 ·
Hallo Michael/Carsten,

Hellen Zille ist eine couragierte Politikerin, bin mal gespannt, wie lange man sie noch gewähren lässt.

Korruption ist ein weltweites Problem, das sich durch Politik und Wirtschaft zieht - und zwar weltweit. In Afrika sind es die Politiker - die Bestochenen - in der Wirtschaft sind es die Bestechenden. Es gehören immer zwei dazu...

Leider gibt es weltweit kein gemeinsames Vorgehen - Vereinigungen wie Transparency International versuchen zumindest ein wenig Licht ins Dunkel zu bringen. Aber es steckt zuviel Geld in dem Business, nach Schätzungen der Weltbank eine Billion USD jährlich:

http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/0,2828,489704,00.html

Money still rules the world...
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1'287 Beiträge · seit 200621. Apr. 2008 ·
Hallo Volker,

das erhellende an dem Zille- Blog ( es stammt von Ihrer Website ) ist ja, das es sich in der afrikanischen Spielart eben nicht nur um Korruption handelt, sondern um das kriminelle Unterschnallen von staatlichen Strukturen zur Selbstbereicherung von Cliquen, wie wir es auf anderen Kontinenten in dieser phänomenologischen Ausprägung in diesem Jahrtausend eben nicht haben.

Korruption a la CSU Spezlwirtschaft, städtische Bauamtgefälligkeiten, Castroscher Rechthaberei, Chinesischer Auftragsvergaben, Siemenscher Zuschlagserschleichung sind damit eben nicht vergleichbar,da unsystematisch und Einzelfallabhängig;
und in der Regel auch ohne Deckmäntelchen von Kolonialschuldlügen.

Aber wir reden erst über die schlechten, alten Zeiten, wenn uns die Enkel ihr unversteuertes Taschengeld zugesteckt haben, das wir selbstverständlich in der Einkommensteuererklärung mit keinem Sterbenswort erwähnen – weil wir schließlich die Sozialisation der Kleinsten auf dem Weg zu mehr Eigenverantwortlichkeit in der Gestaltung öffentlicher Verhältnisses nicht gefährden wollen.

Aber Volker, Du arbeitest doch in der Bank: Wenn Korruption in Deutschland solche Ausmaße hätte, hättest Du doch sicher Deinen Vorgesetzten einen Bestechungsfonds als Investitionsanlage vorgeschlagen, Filzaktien auf dem Vormarsch angekündigt, den DAX als goldberauschter Komet am Horizont der korrupten Gesellschaften ausgerufen. Auch das Schreckgespenst der Kapitalflucht ins geldwaschbereite Ausland wäre endgültig gebannt, so dass wir nicht länger fürchten müssen, von einer führenden Wirtschaftsnation zum Entwicklungsland zu regredieren, weil das im Schweiße unseres Angesichts gesammelte Fluchtkapital in Liechtenstein dauerparkt.

Afrikas Korruption ist unvergleichlich.

Mit sonnigen Grüßen aus Windhoek
Carsten Möhle
931 Beiträge · seit 200621. Apr. 2008 ·
Afrikas Korruption ist unvergleichlich.
Och, laut Transparency International können die Afrikaner noch nicht mal das richtig. Selbst mit der Korruption geht es bergab. Die entsprechenden Indizes in Afrika sinken, die in Lateinamerika und vor allem Asien steigen.

Gruss

Ulli
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2'612 Beiträge · seit 200721. Apr. 2008 ·
Carsten Möhle schrieb:
Aber Volker, Du arbeitest doch in der Bank: Wenn Korruption in Deutschland solche Ausmaße hätte, hättest Du doch sicher Deinen Vorgesetzten einen Bestechungsfonds als Investitionsanlage vorgeschlagen, Filzaktien auf dem Vormarsch angekündigt, den DAX als goldberauschter Komet am Horizont der korrupten Gesellschaften ausgerufen. Auch das Schreckgespenst der Kapitalflucht ins geldwaschbereite Ausland wäre endgültig gebannt, so dass wir nicht länger fürchten müssen, von einer führenden Wirtschaftsnation zum Entwicklungsland zu regredieren, weil das im Schweiße unseres Angesichts gesammelte Fluchtkapital in Liechtenstein dauerparkt.

Afrikas Korruption ist unvergleichlich.

Carsten,

ich habe Deinen Vorschlag gleich mal unseren "Produktentwicklern" weiter geleitet 🙂 Vermutlich gibt es bald den COR DAX oder Ähnliches, wir sollten uns die Namensrechte sichern 🙂

Fragt sich nur, für wen sich Korruption rechnet: idealerweise für beide Seiten zu Lasten der Allgemeinheit/des Steuerzahlers/Verbrauchers etc...

Thema China: die gehen schon sehr systematisch vor...

Afrika ist schon sehr speziell, aber wenn der Wohlstand allgemein etwas höher wäre, würde das Ausmass auch abnehmen. Korruption ist definitiv ein Problem armer Länder:

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article1214067/Deutschland_korrupter_als_andere_EU-Staaten.html

Viele Grüße,

Volker
Bye bye Forum
ThemenstarterGast25. Apr. 2008 ·
Moin zusammen.
'Farming is now a gamble'
"The markets aren't stable. You don't have a base from where you can budget at this stage," said Basson, who with 250ha is a small farmer. "If I plant my maize in October, I don't know if I'll reap any reward next year. It's a gamble."
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=vn20080420092212703C727699
Cops called to quell Joburg riot
Just after 8pm on Sunday night, residents barricaded roads leading to the area and looted shops.
Hundreds of residents were seen running, breakingshop windows and stealing whatever they could carry.
Police monitored the situation this on Monday morning as residents once again blocked off a road with burning tyres and tree branches. They had started gathering at the intersection of Violet and Cosmos streets, just outside Southview High School, while singing freedom songs and blowing vuvuzelas.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=nw20080421120558734C236564
ATM bomb warning
In the wake of what Absa bank describes as "a flood of ATM bombings", consumers are warned to avoid automatic teller machines (ATMs) that have a cord or foreign object hanging from them.

Where possible, it was best to avoid ATMs in dark, remote, or isolated areas.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=vn20080424114054509C367630
Power crisis: Cosatu fears job losses
"What we fear the most... it's going to be its impact on the ability of the economy to retain current jobs... and to create more jobs in the future," said Vavi.
"We have already been told, if load shedding continues there will be basically devastating consequences at the job level."
He said up to 30 000 jobs could be lost in the mining industry and limits on power in the construction of new developments will undermine further job growth in that sector.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=nw20080424135437944C322219

Gruß, Michael
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