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14 Apr 2007 16:10 #35041
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Hallo Mzungu,
ich habe nun folgendes in Erfahrung gebracht:
Die Behauptung, dass an den Distriktsgrenzen nochmals zu bezahlen sei, kam bereits 2006 in der Jahresmitte auf. Da aber wir und genügend andere danach in der Masai Mara waren, ist es definitiv nicht so.

Vermutlich wird es aber mit dem Verfahren bei den ausserhalb des Nationalparkgebietes liegenden Groupranch-Gebieten verwechselt. Wenn man dort übernachtet, dann sollen doppelte Gebühren erhoben werden, sobald man wieder in den Park einfährt. Das wären also dann doch einige.

Ergo, wer auf den Public Campsiten übernachtet und den Park nicht verlässt, den betrifft das nicht.

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14 Apr 2007 19:23 #35044
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hi roland,
habe dir hier mal ein statement aus www.bushdrums.com einkopiert, das verdeutlicht, dass gerade hinsichtlich parkfees in der MM einiges im argen liegt!
also sollte man schon darauf achten, welches gate man wann nutzt um einkasieren seitens parkpersonal auszuschliessen; ansonsten heisst es eben \"zahlenmann und söhne\" ;-)

artikel wurde gepostet am 16.11.2006
Hello! I am so glad I found 'Bushdrums' - what a wealth of information to found on this site.

I was in the Masai Mara September 3rd through September 19th of this year staying at Kichwa Tembo camp. I can attest that during our stay there the topic of conversation was the entrance fee at the Musiara Gate.

In June 2006 the Mara Triangle increased their park entrance fee to US$40.00/day per person which included those staying at Kichwa Tembo. If someone from Governor's Camp came through the Oloololo Gate (Kichwa side) they only needed to paid US$10.00 to the Mara Conservancy since they had already paid their US$40.00 on the other side. NOTE: Visitors received a receipt from Oloololo Gate Officials saying they paid their US$10.00.

Sometime between June and our visit in September the Trans Mara County Council/Mara Conservancy held a meeting and invited the Narok County Council to discuss Entrance Fees into the Mara. The Narok Council did NOT show up at the meeting.

Word now was that if you wanted to go through the Musiara Gate from anywhere else you had to pay US$40.00, but they were not giving receipts. Since we really wanted to visit Musiara area so much we decided to go there on September 15th. We had heard that the attendants were taking payments of anywhere from US$10.00 to the 'required' US$40.00 - some people got receipts, some people didn't.

We arrived at the Musiara Gate at 6:30 am and our Driver/Guide went in to speak to the Gate Official. Gate Official didn't seem to be sure on the entrance fee and called someone who said the fee was US$40.00. We made it very clear that we wanted a receipt for any monies paid, but also said that another one of our vehicles the day before had paid US$10.00 per person. To make a long story longer we paid US$10.00 per person and they would NOT give us a receipt.

Now here comes the interesting part of our trip. We had been in the Musiara area for about two hours and all of a sudden a military type vehicle drives up and demands to see our 'receipts' for entering the park. We said that we did not have any but we paid our money at the Musiara Gate and they wouldn't give us a receipt. All this conversation (in Swahili) was going on between our Driver/Guide and a gentleman in a military type uniform (I think it was the Park dress) with four other Park people in their vehicle all banishing rifles. A very heated conversation ensued between the both of them and it was decided that our vehicle would be escorted to the Keekorok area (about 50 miles away) and our Driver/Guide was going to thrown in jail and they would arrange for us to be taken back to Kichwa Tembo. Our Driver/Guide explained this to us in English. We had six people in our vehicle and we all said (very, very loudly) that we PAID and DID NOT get a receipt. Guess that was the right thing to say and the Officials took down our Driver/Guide's name and license plate number, smiled and waved goodbye to us. We went on our merry way, and finally headed back to Kichwa. Nothing ever came of taking down this information I found out later.

We told the Manager of Kichwa and the Head Ranger what happened. We considered what we went through, and they agreed, that we had been harassed. No rules, payment guidelines, payment receipts were in place at Musiara Gate and to treat visitors this way was unacceptable. Kichwa Manager was going to call the Chief Executive of the Mara Conservancy and also bring this up at a meeting he was attending in Nairobi in two days.

We also understood that the Maasi were charging US$40.00 to visit the Leopard Gorge area, made popular by the BBC \"Big Cat Diary\".

I have no objection to paying entrance to any area of the Mara, when I know that the money will be used for conservation, park maintenance, salaries of park staff, etc. but if any money is not going where it is suppose to go (you get my drift) I will not visit that area.

I totally agree with Pippa with the 'cashing in' statement. I'm glad that Kenya (at least the Mara) seems to have bounced back and tourists are returning, but again they are pricing themselves out of the market.

Just my two cents worth.<br><br>Post geändert von: mzungu, am: 14/04/2007 19:24
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14 Apr 2007 20:59 #35045
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Hallo Mzungu,
wir sahen im Oktober ein ofizielles Schreiben ein, wonach sich die Gebühr von 30 auf 40 USD zum 1.7.2006 erhöht. Daraus resultiert wohl Dein einkopierter Text. Es kann vor allem die 10 USD erklären.
Die subjective Seite kann ich schlecht bewerten.

Wir selbst bezahlten am Sekenani Gate nur 30 USD (im Okt. 2006) weil einfach nur noch alte Quittungen da waren. Am nächsten Tag, am Oloololo Gate bezahlten wir 40 USD.
Das ist halt Afrika.

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14 Apr 2007 23:09 #35056
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hi roland,
noch eine info zur gängigen paxis seitens eines camps - erhalten am 06.11.2006




Hi .....

Yes, with the changes in rules and agreements EVERY visitor to the Reserve (run by Narok County Council) or the Mara Conservancy must pay again ($40).
At present if we have visitors going to the Reserve we deduct that days payment from the Group Ranch and pay the Reserve instead (this would not be applicable if it happened everyday). This is the current system but may change again.
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